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Rathje
Senior Member
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 Posted - 09/07/2009 : 12:45:27 PM
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Hi guys.
I run a Spyder MR-1 with a stock barrel. So far I've used those orange Visible Impact balls from Wal Mart. The balls were tough enough with no breaks. So that's good (I think a typical Spyder bolt prefers a bit tougher paintball). But the balls seemed just a tad small for my barrel. And I did notice that they tended to curve off to one side or the other on occasion after firing them. The lack of accuracy meant I had to shoot more at a target to get a hit.
So I figured I really wasn't saving that much money on them if the bad accuracy meant I had to shoot more of them.
My guess is that they're too small for my barrel. I tried fitting one into my unscrewed barrel, and it didn't catch at all. Just rolled easily through the entire thing. So it seems like they're too small for the barrel.
Then I got some X Balls on sale at Sports Authority and had the same problem. Decent balls, but too small for the barrel (I think - correct me if I'm wrong here). Then I noticed that Visible Impact and X Balls seem to be essentially the same brand. So that made sense.
So I'm up for buying another box, and I've got a bit of a choice to make here.
1. I can buy balls that are bigger and fit the barrel better, or
2. I can buy a barrel that shoots small stuff better.
Keep in mind that I really can't afford to buy the most expensive paint out there. I'm hoping for stuff that sells in the low $30 range for 2000 count.
But the stock barrel on my Spyder just seems too big for the smaller stuff. If getting a new barrel would allow me to shoot cheaper stuff with more accuracy, that would be definitely worth it to me. I've heard the J&J Ceramic is only $30 and has Spyder compatible threads. But is that barrel a good fit for smaller or larger bore paint?
But if there is cheap larger-bore paint out there, that would be even better (since I can put off springing for a new barrel for a while).
So a couple questions:
1. What are my options for buying larger bore paint?
2. What are the best barrel options for getting good accuracy with cheaper paint?
Any thoughts would be appreciated. |
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hmudd13
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 3:06:19 PM
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A lot of paintballs now are "usually" under .687 in size. Most stock barrels are in the .688 to 690 range. Lately, balls have been getting closer to .685 and lower. I have a .681 barrel that some balls are rolling out of.
Depending on lot numbers, balls of the same brand, maker can be different sizes. So, one day you can buy say, Visible Impact, and it will fit fine in your barrel, but the next case may not be the same.
Due to the nature of the paintball itself, it's manufacturing process, and it's inherent nature to grow or shrink according to temperature, humidity and the like, make for owning the "one" perfect barrel a fantasy I think.
Also, I'm theorizing that the makers of paintballs are purposely making them just a hair smaller to increase that profit margin.
Think about it. If you save a portion of a gram on a paintball, no big deal, right?
Multiply that by the millions of balls being made, and some exec is getting a christmas bonus because of the money saved.
Not to mention that a lot of these companies make barrel kits as well(or are under the umbrella of a larger company that does)
Even though I'm a big fan of one piece barrels, unless you want to own a lot of them, your best bet is a kit with sizers.
There in itself is a quandry, because depending on who you ask, which kit to buy is gonna give you a headache.
Everybody likes this barrel kit or that barrel kit.
Sheesh.........my fingers are sore now.
Hope this helps. |
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Rathje
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 09/07/2009 : 3:13:29 PM
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I would like a kit for $60.00 or less.
How's that sound?
Thanks for the info Bill. I noticed that even the few Marbelizers I tried rolling down the barrel were going a bit easier than I thought they would. So maybe it is an industry-wide thing.
I heard the J&J Ceramic is a relatively small bore barrel. So maybe that one would work in a pinch... |
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hmudd13
Advanced Member
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Posted - 09/08/2009 : 03:06:08 AM
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Originally posted by Rathje
I heard the J&J Ceramic is a relatively small bore barrel. So maybe that one would work in a pinch...
All my J&J's are large bore, you might want to check that out before you buy. |
Remember, DON'T SHOOT THE TREES OR ROCKS IN THE PARKING AREA!!!!
(Or you will be made to suffer one thousand deaths, each one, more horrible, than the one before!!!)
Forest etiquette for dummies! - DO NOT BUILD BUNKERS IN NATIONAL FOREST!!! It is against the law.
Thank you for your consideration.
My Markers - http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=602&sl=h
My wife keeps asking me why I need more markers.........Why does she do that???
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RustyTucker
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 3:27:36 PM
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I just went through this same thing about two months ago so I feel your pain! :) If you haven't read my post asking about Palmer barrels, read it here http://www.tunka.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1288
After all my reading and question asking about barrels, the conclusion I came to is that everyone does it differently. Not very helpful, I know.
I got a Python Compression kit off ebay for $32, msrp is $60. I like it, it's not a work of art but it works. Plus if you order direct from him you can get the back in any thread combo, like ion to cocker for instance.
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Rathje
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2009 : 4:32:54 PM
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Just to add yet another variable to the mix, some people seem to be advocating over-boring your barrel size to the paintballs.
Like the TechPB guy on YouTube. See here for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwN03gMASew&feature=fvw
His argument is that paintballs are inevitably going to lose their perfectly round shape - even just sitting in your reloader pods, your hopper, or in your bag back at the staging area during a day of playing - either from the heat or the moisture. So no matter what you do, you're going to end up with misshapen paintballs.
If you've got a perfect ball-to-bore match, the balls may shoot OK to start, but as the day goes on, their going to get distorted. And now all this tight bore match is doing is catching the oblong edges of the ball and forcing it into a spinning motion. And that spinning motion is going to throw off your aim. If you're really unlucky, the tight bore match may even rip the paint apart in your barrel.
So he recommends overboring and going with .691 to .693 for barrel bore size to prevent these problems - even with distorted paint.
That's his theory anyway.
I think it might be a little overblown, because the TechPB guy is based in Florida, where the humidity is absolute murder (especially on something like paintballs). I don't know if the problems he describes in that YouTube vid are even half as big a concern in a more arid climate like Colorado. |
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Looking for large-bore paintballs
